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June 13, 2010

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Dear Marty (well, I thought I'd use your old nickname), I must admit to having rather unsympathetic feelings towards shy people. I've been self-conscious in situations where I know no one or understand little about the environment, but I'm not shy. I think there's a difference between the two, but I have encountered shy people who give me the impression that they consider themselves the center of the world. Their discomfort is much more important than the discomfort they are causing others with their silence or lack of reaction or refusal to take a position. I have seen shy people neglect to thank their hosts or try to make conversation with friends of friends because they are feeling shy. Get a grip, is always my feeling, you aren't the only person in the room. Shy people seem to me to be so wrapped up in themselves that they can't bother about what their attitude is doing to everyone around them. To me, joining a social situation requires some basic, if unspoken, participation and consideration. Having said all that, am I a terrible person?

It's funny, "shy" is not a word that comes to mind when I think of you. You do a good job of masking it.

I was dreadfully shy because I always felt different. In elementary school I was the only girl who liked sports, not playing sports but watching sports on TV and going to ball games. (Hard to believe but that was a long time ago. I was teased a lot for this. Also I was not girly. In high school I was the only Puerto Rican (at least to my knowledge) in a predominantly Jewish high schoo. I always felt that I never knew what to do in social situations and I did sort of buy in to the love self esteem tht I wasn't really as good as everyone else. You'd be amazed how many adults who should have known better helped to reinforce that view. I would be EXTREMELY surprised that my shyness had the effect on anyone that you describe Sue; I seriously doubt that my attitude did anything to anyone because frankly, I always was pretty certain that they didn't care about me one way or another. And as for social situations I was probably invited to about 5 parties in high school and I hope I thanked my hosts.

Sue, I think you might be mistaking true shyness for self-centeredness which can manifest itself as faux shyness, and yes, that can be obnoxious because it sort of suggests that the other person is somehow responsible for it. A truly shy person would be mortified to think that their behavior would create any kind of imposition on anyone else. They'd sooner be invisible than the object of anyone's attention.

Ugh...I obviously meant low self esteem in above post. And pardon for the other typos. As a shy person I'm now wishing I never said anything at all.

Just kidding. Not shy at all anymore.

Maria,
You seem so sweet and I feel like my post sounds mean-spirited. But experiencing yourself outside the dominant culture - even if it's your school, not the whole society - is often painful. Race and ethnicity are especially strong dividers in this country and I can imagine the difficulty - but is that shyness? Or a bit of self-defense in a situation where you haven't been given the tools to fit in. I went through it in high school (being in love with a girl when discovery might lead to shock treatment and incarceration) and as an adult I'm amazed at how many people felt different as kids - miserably so. I just don't think a sense of invisibility or of being ignored or shut up is shyness. Thanks for such a considered response.

I was shy. I, too, remember specific times in my youth when others perceived me as rude and self-centered when I was actually immobilized by my lack of social graces. I would be in a situation, for example, where a simple "thank you" was called for, but I didn't say it right away because I was tongue-tied. Then I would agonize silently about having missed the opportunity, and wait for a chance to say it. But it would feel hopelessly awkward and too late. Finally, the opportunity would be completely past, and I would go down as the rude one who didn't even say "thank you."

I usually felt invisible in social situations, so it would have astounded me at the time to think anyone even cared what I said or didn't say.

This blog has stirred up a gazillion memories and reflections in me, but I'll leave it at that.

I instantly knew you had shyness in you the minute I met you. Shy people know each other. And NO WAY would Leah be your friend if you were classmates in high school. Sorry, Danny. She is way too cool for you. But I would. We would stand in the back and make fun of her.

I have always been a shy person. I was one of those little kids that would hide behind their mother's legs whenever anyone would talk to me. It takes me a while to warm up to someone before I am able to get over that agonizing social anxiety and fear of negative judgment. After a social situations I am often exhausted but still replay the event in my head and worry about how I acted or was perceived. I don't think I am rude to hosts or strangers. At least I hope I'm not. I deeply care about how others around me feel so it's not that I can't be bothered to care about how my attitude affects them. It's quite the opposite. I probably care too much. Trust me, I am painfully aware that I am not the only person in the room and it would be so nice if I was able to get a grip.

Wow, this discussion is far more interesting than my post. While I think there may be a certain amount of narcissism attached to shyness, I don't think most shy people, especially children, have much control over that until they work on the underlying causes. I know that I often DID appear aloof and ungracious because of my social anxiety and that just made me feel so much worse. It took a long time to crawl out of that fear-based view of the world.

>>I can recognize that “I’m too cool to be enthusiastic about anything” act anywhere!<<

Oh man, that was me from kindergarten through grade 12. Painfully, painfully shy and "way too cool" for all my peers. I've worked very, very hard to overcome it, but it still rears its ugly head when I meet someone else who is painfully shy. I am absolutely amazed by people (like my husband) who easily get up in front of a crowd and speak (although, like you, I have learned to do it), let alone sing (that, I will never learn to do. Thank God I have the excuse of having a terrible singing voice)! I'm always so impressed that your daughter can do that at her age.

I hated it in school when we all had to give oral presentations. It was such a complete waste of class time. Not only was I miserable doing it myself, but I was also miserable watching all the others who were up there shaking and miserable. Between worrying about when I was going to be called on and feeling sorry for others, I never paid the least bit of attention to what anyone actually had to say and never learned a thing.

I agree that blogging is a great outlet for us naturally shy souls. And I also have to agree with Maria. The last thing on earth I ever wanted was attention. I still don't want attention, perfectly happy just to observe others, or to ask people all about themselves, so I don't have to talk about me.

What a great post, Danny. (Not that all your posts aren't great.)

Watching poor Marty was so painful I almost had to run away screaming. I remember those Coronet Educational Films trying to tell us that our own perceptions were inaccurate. Of course, Mary should be self-conscious; they are all staring at him and deriding him -- it's high school! They don't care what he's saying, they only care that his skin is breaking out or that he's got a slight speech impediment, and maybe a boner at the very moment when the spotlight was on him. I just hope that he stopped dating those foolish girls and realized that he was in love with Jack all along. PS I was so shy in my kindergarten photo that I had my head down on my chest and refused to look at the camera.

Dear Danny,
Social situations are torture. And, I'm getting worse, not better. I'm on a mild tranquilizer that gets me through everyday activities. And, I down a double dose if I have to go anywhere out of my usual routine. I had a few sessions with a psychiatrist who was worthless. He just encouraged me to be more like him: naturally outgoing. Sheesh. Thanks a lot. I'm happy at home, alone.

I'm amazed at Leah AND at Charlie. They're very lucky, wonderful kids. Congratulations.
--Gordon

I grew up a mixture of being absolutely in-your-face obnoxious but at the same time very anxious in social situation. All of my school years (through college) I was paralyzed with the fear of being called upon in class. Then I would agonize over what I did or did not say. When I reached middle school and discovered alcohol, my anxiety would be quelled for brief periods while I drank away my anxiety. I did have close friends and I was always comfortable with them, but a crowd of my peers always brought my anxiety level through the roof. I don't know if I was actually shy, because I wanted attention. I wanted to be the life of the party. I just couldn't pull it off. I thought I would grow out of my social anxiety but at age 50 (!) I finally started taking an anti-anxiety medication. I am a new person. I am so sorry that I was not diagnosed with anxiety in my 20s--my life would have been so different.

I've suffered from bouts of shyness all my life. Trust me, it's not a concious decision. I certainly don't think I'm the center of the world when I'm feeling shy, at least not in any positive sense.

Hi, Marty:) Can I just tell you how flat-out inspiring your blog is, and I must say, especially any time you talk about this particular subject? I've suffered (and I don't use that term lightly) with social anxiety most of my life: it can be completely debilitating. Hearing other people talk about it, other peoples' stories - knowing you're not alone - it's one of the best ways to fight it, I think. Thanks so much for this post:)

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